Jul 02 00:39:58 --> You are now talking on #gender-office Jul 02 00:39:58 --- Topic for #gender-office is #gender support, complaints, and explicitly nonjudgmental management Jul 02 00:39:58 --- Topic for #gender-office set by winterwyn!~wyn@c-24-22-71-31.hsd1.or.comcast.net at Sat Aug 24 13:04:57 2013 Jul 02 00:41:35 Low as fuck, so she decides to make us deal with her shit? People she hasn't talked to in months? Jul 02 00:41:37 >Oh I´m feeling terrible and suicidal, where should I go? Jul 02 00:41:37 Fuck off. Jul 02 00:41:39 >GENDER Jul 02 00:42:12 Fuck clean off, we don't have to defend our channel or how we operate Jul 02 00:42:36 people using mental illness Jul 02 00:42:43 as a way to worm out of being an asshole Jul 02 00:42:45 my fav Jul 02 00:43:35 Btw, who is distri? Jul 02 00:44:42 <-- Sanae has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jul 02 00:45:05 it won't last long I don't think Jul 02 00:45:17 Oh of course it won´t Jul 02 00:45:36 I think distri showed up around the same time as greening? Jul 02 00:45:45 new person is my guess Jul 02 00:45:57 Yeah I'm a new person. Jul 02 00:46:03 yay new people Jul 02 00:46:09 Hello new persoooooooooooooon Jul 02 00:46:17 I am K, I like to think I´m k. Jul 02 00:46:28 Sorry to welcome you in the middle of a uh Jul 02 00:46:28 I followed Aca over from another chat and figured I'd check it out because Jul 02 00:46:43 a kerfluffle Jul 02 00:46:44 Fuck knows my gender just keeps getting more and more complicated for me to explain. Jul 02 00:47:00 An old, old issue that hasn't been properly and finally dealt with. Jul 02 00:47:06 broooo I know the feeling, except for me it's sexuality Jul 02 00:47:08 Uhm! Jul 02 00:47:18 Maybe switch the conversations in here and #gender Jul 02 00:47:28 That's fine, I'm just kind of ignoring it. Jul 02 00:47:31 i'm pretty confident in where i've currently settled as far as gender goes Jul 02 00:48:31 Skellie: IIRC you settled in the middle of fucking nowhere Jul 02 00:48:35 YUP Jul 02 00:48:37 it's nice Jul 02 00:48:44 I like it here Jul 02 00:48:45 It's not that I'm not settled in, it's just that being genderfluid between a few different things that aren't plain male/female and then having it fluctuate is difficult to explain. Jul 02 00:48:47 And staked your plot of land out and said THIS IS MINE Jul 02 00:48:59 DiStri, aah Jul 02 00:49:46 Not to mention that at this point it's all muddled together and I can sort of feel it and describe it more as colours than anything else is just Jul 02 00:49:49 * DiStri throws hands up Jul 02 00:50:08 muddled together into genderblob Jul 02 00:50:14 Pretty much. Jul 02 00:50:23 Very colourful genderblob. Jul 02 00:50:38 ~ Jul 02 00:50:50 =D Jul 02 00:51:37 Oh, also I don't really mind any pronouns as long as you don't correct people about mine and you switch it up sometimes so. Jul 02 00:51:38 Hurray. Jul 02 00:52:15 You can call me Dirk though. Jul 02 00:52:36 hello and welcome Jul 02 00:52:41 Dirk? Very Germanic Jul 02 00:52:46 also yushi n.n! Jul 02 00:52:47 feel free to lurk in main channel and jump in whenever suits you Jul 02 00:52:49 --> Sanae (~ok@c-845ee655.018-390-73746f39.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se) has joined #gender-office Jul 02 00:52:49 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to Sanae Jul 02 00:53:00 Yeah sure. Jul 02 01:12:43 <-- DiStri has quit (Ping timeout: 204 seconds) Jul 02 01:52:22 --- Disconnected (Connection reset by peer). **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jul 02 01:52:22 2015 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Jul 02 21:37:42 2015 Jul 02 21:37:42 --> You are now talking on #gender-office Jul 02 21:37:42 --- Topic for #gender-office is #gender support, complaints, and explicitly nonjudgmental management Jul 02 21:37:42 --- Topic for #gender-office set by winterwyn!~wyn@c-24-22-71-31.hsd1.or.comcast.net at Sat Aug 24 13:04:57 2013 Jul 02 21:40:20 <-- T-Cat has quit (Ping timeout: 206 seconds) Jul 02 21:43:21 --- You are now known as T-Cat Jul 02 21:43:25 --- ChanServ gives channel operator status to T-Cat Jul 02 22:24:17 --> DiStri (webchat@c-73-130-120-147.hsd1.pa.comcast.net) has joined #gender-office Jul 02 22:55:53 k: I'm willing to hear any input you have about what went wrong, considering the context and circumstances of an outburst of hostility and accusation Jul 02 22:59:10 k: needless to say your angle on things was somewhat unexpected Jul 02 23:01:45 hostility? Not at all Jul 02 23:01:54 This is how I experienced it Jul 02 23:02:06 I don´t dislike you or anything Jul 02 23:02:13 You just seemed a bit hard on her Jul 02 23:02:45 Which is fine with me Jul 02 23:02:45 I mean what happened at the time Jul 02 23:03:00 I just wanted you to know :o Jul 02 23:03:14 I didn't see a way clear for things to not get worse Jul 02 23:03:32 Could´ve officed it? Jul 02 23:04:11 is this just hindsight or what Jul 02 23:04:27 Uh no, I mentioned it Jul 02 23:04:28 I don't know that there was any way to tell that it was different from the previous times Jul 02 23:04:36 Uhm! Jul 02 23:04:36 Maybe switch the conversations in here and #gender Jul 02 23:04:37 it had been officed Jul 02 23:05:08 A person can be different in every conversation, you can´t judge a situation based on one that happened many months ago Jul 02 23:08:27 if you have a lesson to draw from this that can be applied while there's still a decision to make, please let me know Jul 02 23:08:55 "maybe it's different this time" isn't much to operate on Jul 02 23:09:40 I would have hoped so until things caught fire Jul 02 23:12:25 --- skellaway is now known as Skellie Jul 02 23:25:40 <-- Letty has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer) Jul 02 23:26:15 did i miss much Jul 02 23:27:43 well Jul 02 23:28:49 it seems to have transpired that sophia is no longer among the living Jul 02 23:32:29 I don't really know what to do Jul 02 23:33:52 considering I made the final decision to turn her away I can't help but feel responsible in some way Jul 02 23:34:39 at least k seems to think I went too far but I don't know what else could have been done Jul 02 23:34:45 You didn't make that decision on your own. Not even close. Jul 02 23:34:55 <-- LowBatteryLife (~kvirc@c-66-41-156-199.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has left #gender-office (Once you know what it is you want to be true, instinct is a very useful device for enabling you to know that it is) Jul 02 23:35:02 --> LowBatteryLife (~kvirc@c-66-41-156-199.hsd1.mn.comcast.net) has joined #gender-office Jul 02 23:35:03 --- ChanServ gives voice to LowBatteryLife Jul 02 23:35:17 thanks for the support Jul 02 23:35:59 Sophia's last message to most of her communities included the line "Blame an abusive father and an abusive ex girlfriend, nobody else." Jul 02 23:36:41 It's a complicated situation with lots of emotions involved, but you weren't really responsible for it here. Jul 02 23:37:53 yeah I guess it isn't about me Jul 02 23:38:32 reality check appreciated Jul 02 23:38:42 I'm going to try to relax Jul 02 23:38:47 We genuinely could do nothing for her. Don't even pretend like we didn't try. For god damn months, we tried. And were forced to accept our limits, how much support we can really offer. Jul 02 23:39:12 Which is not a happy thought. But I won't let anyone take blame for this. Jul 02 23:44:54 WELL. Jul 03 00:48:55 --> Kiwikaos (~Monolith@195.101.69.111.dynamic.snap.net.nz) has joined #gender-office Jul 03 00:48:56 <-- Kiwikaos has quit (Client Quit) Jul 03 01:00:57 I mean Jul 03 01:01:09 wyn said Jul 03 01:01:10 it seems that sophia is no more Jul 03 01:01:10 it bothers me a lot that there wasn't help Jul 03 01:01:27 I ONLY said that help could´ve been given, but wasn´t. Jul 03 01:03:59 I'm gonna give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you don't realize what you're implying Jul 03 01:05:08 What I´m meaning to say: You say you wish there was help, but you didn´t even try to help yesterday (or maybe in PM, dunno bout that), you could´ve let her vent in -office but instead you cut her off. Jul 03 01:05:15 There could´ve been help Jul 03 01:06:08 oh Jul 03 01:06:13 I think I understand now Jul 03 01:06:18 sorry Jul 03 01:09:59 You needn´t apologize to me wyn! Jul 03 01:10:02 is fien n.n! Jul 03 02:06:04 late since I woke up, but I kinda don't blame wyn, but at the same time I think it could've been handled better